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(Date Posted:05/30/2006 9:33 AM)

http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/features/crimewatch/2006/jan/26/crimewatch-26-01-2006-001.htmINTERNET RAT:They conned an American lady, using marriage as baitBy Juliana Francis Thursday, January 26, 2006.One of the fraudsters Photo: Sun News PublishingMore Stories on This SectionA joint effort by Nigeria and American authorities has ended the pranks of three Nigerian boys, who were defrauding Americans on the Internet. The syndicate comprised Michael Evbowera, 21, Mark Paul Udoh 16 and William Emery, who allegedly swindled an American woman of 3000 dollars and a laptop computer. Investigations between the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) and Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) have also revealed that the boys sent over one million fraudulent cheques and money orders to different people in the United States, for the shipment of goods. Posing as a working class man looking for a potential wife, Emery surfed the net and found Shirley Garza. After chatting a couple of times with her, he had told her he loved her and proposed to marry her. Garza, said to be in her mid-30s was said to have fallen for the ruse. She started sending money whenever Emery asked for assistance as an expression of her love. The scales, however, fell off her eyes when Emery asked her to send a laptop to him. He promised to send her money for it. He further instructed her to write Adesola Joseph as the sender. When she asked him why Adesola, he reportedly said: " Courier companies no longer send goods bearing foreign names to the owners."** More at link**

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(Date Posted:08/10/2006 8:30 AM)

So invariably frustrating to read about the romantic fraud calls... I mean, I understand and acknowledge what the pranksters are pulling is morally and ethically wrong but then again, the people who fall for this? I just don't understand this. You're talking to someone via instant messenger who's asking you to send them money? Time and time again? You'd consider that an "expression of love" although you've never heard their voice? It'd be one thing if you've met them before, had time to do a face to face assessment, personality review, whatevever the hell you want to call it: bottom line, if you got a chance to know the person it would be a completely different story. But these people are just nonsensical in their willingness to place complete trust in strangers, callers, who've they've never met before. It's a hard concept for me to grasp. These calls are becoming more and more controversial- have a feeling it's going to backfire really soon. Someone is going to do something about it as prank callers have been penetrating every aspect of business: from auto sales to romantic personals, craig's list forum users, won't be surprised before there's an angry conglomerate of fraud victims hauling together to reform the ADA IP relay process... ehhh. Who, sadly, is suffering the most from these calls are those with initial problems in the first place: the disabled. My sympathies as a relay operator go out to them... even the unfortunate VCO user who screams hysterically in my ear because her voice mail system is a piece of shit. *laughing*

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(Date Posted:08/10/2006 10:16 AM)

WHY THE HELL WOULD U WANT TO ACCEPT A MARRIAGE PROPOSAL FROM SOMEONE AFTER ONLY CHATTING ONLINE WITH FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND NEVER SEEN. ON TOP OF THAT IS FROM WEST AFRICA????? HELLO!?!??! DO U NOT WATCH THE NEWS, READ THE PAPER?

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(Date Posted:08/10/2006 1:40 PM)

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Well, unfortunately the people who fall for these romance scammers are lonely hearts themselves. They have ads on the dating sites, they are "older", and desperate. I baited a gay romance scammer, and the funny thing is he would never go off script. Meaning, he would not even read my reply's, but continue to reply based off of a script. From what I understand, these scammers are based out of Russia, and smarter then the African 419 scammers.



I had a friend who was suckered into this, despite my warnings. He was very lonely and desperate, and believed he could send the new love of his life $100 or so to pay for the airline ticket, so they could move here. $100 is not much, right? Well when your scamming 100's of people, this quickly ads up.
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(Date Posted:08/10/2006 3:14 PM)

well still u can't be THAT desperate! i still find it rediculous

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(Date Posted:08/10/2006 11:27 PM)

I used to feel bad for the victims of romance scams, now I'm just annoyed by them. Yes, they might be desperate, yes they might be stupid, but to ignore the warnings of friends, family AND relay? HELLO?



There's a guy that got calls ALL THE TIME from his West African "love" and one time I actually got enough to have it disconnected for fraud. Well apparently this has happened before because as soon as the sup started the script he started yelling saying "NO! NO! NO! This is my GIRLFRIEND! Don't give me your scam shit you don't know what you're talking about! Stop interrupting my fucking calls!".

Uhhhh....yeah. So I got returned to the call (although *I* think he should have been disconnected for abuse), and he sent about $1000 to his poor stranded "love" in the "airport" who got to the states but not quite to him. She missed her flight! Go figure!



The saddest part is listening to the guy be like "oh its ok! In a few more hours we'll be together and it will be ok!".....uh no. She's not comin' man, sorry.



What I don't understand is:



A. These scammers are not capable of having any sort of meaningful conversation. They cut and paste a script most of the time. Do these people not notice this? How dumb are they? How can you "fall in love" with a person who just types "I miss you my love" over and over?



B. How desperate do you have to be? I mean, spending life alone isn't the worst fate in the world. GET A HOBBY! Get FRIENDS! DO SOMETHING! People become so preoccupied with love and sex. Its their downfall in the end.



but most of all C. How many times does thier "love" have to have cancer, get attacked, get stranded, need school money, need a laptop, need help to move their gold, before their brain wakes up and say s "my gosh, this person sure does have BAD luck...its unbelivable!"....yes, yes it is.

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(Date Posted:08/11/2006 2:27 PM)

First of all, some scammers are *very* good in what they do, they know out of experience which button they've to push in the victims mind to make them pay.

Another factor is trust, you can't build it up in just a few emails. I've been in contact with victims whose scammers chatted with them sometimes for a few months before they asked for the first time for money. They call them on their birthdays, support them if they feel lonely , etc. Once the trust has been established, the victim is less hesitant to pay the money. If they start to question the whole thing, the scammers will begin to put pressure on it.

Romance scammers are the most evil ones, they're specialized on targetting the vulnerability of these vicims.

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(Date Posted:08/11/2006 10:52 PM)

Nonetheless it's still sad! I had virtually no idea romance scammers get real personal, how could I form such an assumption from the scripted calls which seem all to plain and scripted, not to mention the lack of grammar skills clearly showcased. Sad. Sad. Ah. Today I dealt with the most frustrating of voice terminators- this man, clearly mexican, (no offense whatsoever), simply would not slow down! And it's one thing to continually talk fast... it's another when you're voicing a whole series of talk extremely fast and then stop, pause, mumble and then go chaotic again! Ridiculous: no matter how many times I tried to pace him, it just didn't work. And then I had a VCO call where a woman was trying to phone her bank company in regards to a payment she thought she didn't authorize. Initially she called the insurance agent who then transferred her to the correct person to contact, but WOW that insurance agent. I wanted to strangle him. "Do you know how to use VCO Relay?" He's immediately threw out a yes following it with some rude comment, and I could tell he was unfamiliar with VCO... had to explain the process and throughout he's interrogating me. It's like: if you listened to the shit I'm reading you your questions will be answered. Being a professional you would think he would hold a civil tone- they seem to be the rudest in the crowd. I don't know about you guys but my days as a RO are wearing down... especially since MCI's now Verizon. Seems like everyone's getting the fire for poor adherence now. Ah.


 


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First of all, some scammers are *very* good in what they do, they know out of experience which button they've to push in the victims mind to make them pay.Another factor is trust, you can't build it up in just a few emails. I've been in contact with victims whose scammers chatted with them sometimes for a few months before they asked for the first time for money. They call them on their birthdays, support them if they feel lonely , etc. Once the trust has been established, the victim is less hesitant to pay the money. If they start to question the whole thing, the scammers will begin to put pressure on it.Romance scammers are the most evil ones, they're specialized on targetting the vulnerability of these vicims


 

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