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(Date Posted:06/17/2007 9:43 PM)

wow! Just found this site.

Ok, it is interesting to read this site. I was unsure of exactly how relay service worked, so I only used it with friends and family who would know about relay and know that it was me calling. Now that I see so many competent caring people work as operators, I think I will stop wasting so much time driving to business when I can just turn on my computer.

My question is. To make stuff easier for all parties, what exactly can I do to make the call smoother? I'm talking in regards to calling businesses and strangers. I've read from operators "well if they would just type this and that giving me permission to help them better it would be so much easier". In the special instructions box at i711 can I just write "please tell them you are calling for a HOH person looking to do such and such". Or does that make trouble for you?

I have worked a job dealing with typing, accuracy, keying exactly what a person wants even though it makes no sense and lots of rules. Some rules were just so ridiculous, made no sense. I keyed mail, and I would see addresses constantly that I knew were wrong, and knew the correct address, but I couldn't type it no matter what. I assume it ia somewhat similar for you, fighting to NOT use your common sense.

So I'm asking what I can type/ask to make it easier for you, the person I'm calling, and me?

And many many thanks for your services.
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(Date Posted:06/18/2007 6:21 PM)

Welcome to the forums! I would like to point out that the different relay companies have different protocols/procedures for handling calls. That goes for both state relay and internet relay. So it really depends on which company's system you are using as to what the oprs can say or do. And Sprint/CSD likes to change call handling procedures so much that there is no consistency at all anymore. You can place five different calls through Sprint centers and the calls will probably be handled differently every time. It's ridiculous! They don't like to make the changes aware to the oprs, so we only find out about them if we've been monitored and we've done something that is now considered wrong according to their changes. At least this is how it works in my center.



And as far as telling the opr ahead of time to let the business/person you are calling know that you are deaf/hoh...that's no problem through state relay. I'm not sure how Verizon handles that for their IP calls. Their oprs might be able to say that for you. I know most of the oprs in my center won't say that, and you can thank the Nigerians for that. In order to get businesses to take their calls they would have the opr say that they were deaf. So because of this, many oprs will no longer say that a deaf person is calling. In fact, there is no mention of the word deaf in our explanation script for Sprint IP calls. Maybe a Verizon opr will let you know how their IP system works. It's got to be better than Sprint's I would imagine.



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(Date Posted:06/18/2007 6:33 PM)

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wow! Just found this site.Ok, it is interesting to read this site. I was unsure of exactly how relay service worked, so I only used it with friends and family who would know about relay and know that it was me calling.





A special welcome from me!! It's super to have another deaf/hoh person here. It gets so lonely out in space (smile). Hope to see more of your posts - it's exciting. I think you'll find this site interesting and informative, with all kinds of goodies to savour. It is facinating to see things from the "other side". I'm sure everyone will be glad to get another deaf/hoh person here,I certainly am thrilled.
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(Date Posted:06/19/2007 1:14 AM)

I used to work for Verizon Relay.


If you want the business/person to know you're deaf/hoh, tell the operator you want your call announced a certain way.  Before you give the number tell the operator...


(opr pls say this call is from  "jane" and i'm deaf)  or something similar so when they call the number they'll go "this is ip relay opr 1234 with a relay call from jane who is deaf, do you know how to use relay" or something like that (every operator is different in how they announce that because there's no set protocal for that.


 


If you're calling a small business, be prepared to be hung up on.  They're a main target of Nigerian scammers.  If it happens, STOP trying to call them on an IP-Relay service and use State Relay.  If that's not an option, go into the store.  In all odds if they know there IS a legit deaf person trying to call them they'll be less likely to just hang up.


 


If you're calling back a number that showed up on caller ID and they don't leave a message...do NOT Call it back!  In all odds it was a wrong number.  It happens, to hearing and deaf people.      If they don't know how to use relay, and then hang up on you (meaning the opr tells you they've explained relay to the person and then that they hung up)...in all odds they just hit a wrong number.  It's not the end of the world, it's not worth getting pissed off about, it's not worth cussing someone out for, and it's not worth constantly calling them harassing them to tell them to stop calling you cause you're deaf.    LET IT GO!


 


On recordings...DO NOT ASK FOR LIVE REP!    Most recordings have at the LEAST 1-2 tiers before you can talk to someone.    Most times you need to enter your phone number or enter an option if you're a customer or not.  If you know that the recording you're calling will ask that, provide that info up front.  Most operators would be GREATFUL to have you give them the options on the recording you want to enter, rather than typing it all out.  If you're calling a recording you haven't called before, then PLEASE let the operator type it out so you can pick an option.    I know it's confusing sometimes on Instant messangers to tell which number is for which option, so if you're confused, then just type in "billing" if it's unclear if that's option 2 or 3...the opr will know what you mean.


If you're confused on the recording tree, in IP we can NOT change an option 3 trees back.  You HAVE TO redial, which wipes the slate clean so to speak.  And FYI...the Social security recording changed months ago...live rep and then "no" should be provided up front if you really want a live rep.  FYI 411 automated directory assistance changed too.  IT want's city and state first.  Then business, government or residential.  FYI T-mobile requires your phone number FIRST, THEN you may be able to ask for a live-rep, unless there's a past due balance on your account.        Also, if a recording says "to continue in english press X", the opr will press it by default...we have to, we're english only relay lol.  So PLEASE don't say "press 1" when you see "press 1 for english"  it's already done.


 


When dealing with professionals or a business, AVOID slang terms.  It decreases your credibility as an intellegent person when you  use "instant message slang" in a professional setting.  Avoid "dis" "den" "undy", and so on.  When you're talking with friends it's not a big deal, but someone in an office is going to get annoyed REALLY quick.    IF you're heavy on ASL sentence structure you can ask the opr to translate, but on IP thats a crap shoot.  In that instance, State relay would probably be able to help you out more, they can take more liberties where IP is pretty strict.


If you're confused about something, ASK QUESTIONS.  If you don't know what "pro-rated" means, ASK.  Also, realize, with a business, they in all odds don't care to hear your life story or that the dog ate your last bill.  They want yes/no questions or SHORT answers.  Not a novel about why you can't unplug your computer cause you don't know what an outlet is.    And ANSWER the questions that are asked.    If someone asks for "name, address, date of birth and SSN"...don't just say "this is jane smith ga" 


If you're one of the few deaf people who leaves a message...if you leave an e-mail...spell it out!  Tell them who you are!  So many people get messages of "this is ip relay opr 1234 with a message,    call me,    end of message thk u ip relay opr 1234 good bye"....now if you're their only deaf friend it might not be a biggie, but if not, they don't know who's calling them.


Constantly calling people or businesses that don't want to talk to you or can't talk to you right now...that's HARASSMENT and it's illegal.  In all odds they're really busy and simply don't have the time/concentration to devote to a relay call.  If it's not a matter of life/death, it's going to be OK to call them back later on...and by later on..not 2 minutes, like 20 minutes.


And for the love of all things, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE use GA/SK protocal!    Which means typing GA when you are TOTALLY done with your response.


hi ga how are u ga are u there ga    <~~~ THAT is NOT RIGHT!  GA is NOT a period at the end of a sentence it's more like the paragraph break.  Once you type GA, it's the OTHER PERSON'S turn.  They can't interupt you, so don't interupt them.  I've noticed that kind of patience is lacking with many deaf people, but it's not just patience for them to resopnd it's respecting them and letting them say their piece before you do.    On a regular phone you can't really talk at the same time as the other person or you end up talking over each other someone's signal gets choppy and you miss things.    Also typing "bye GA" for 20 minutes....the operator doesn't know when you and your friend are done talking.  That's what SK is for.  It means "stop keying" and indicates you're ready to hang the phone up.  USE IT, LOVE IT!


It's SO worth reading any FAQ pages on whatever Relay site you choose to use.  If you have questions you can ask the operators too.    We're trained to assume that the orig knows how to use relay, which is such a bad assumption.    But in all odds if it at least appears you're trying, the opr won't be hostile (unless they're just naturally that way LOL)

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(Date Posted:06/19/2007 4:42 AM)

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I used to work for Verizon Relay.If you want the business/person to know you're deaf/hoh, tell the operator you want your call announced a certain way. Before you give the number tell the operator...(opr pls say this call is from "jane" and i'm deaf) or something similar so when they call the number they'll go "this is ip relay opr 1234 with a relay call from jane who is deaf, do you know how to use relay" or something like that (every operator is different in how they announce that because there's no set protocal for that.If you're calling a small business, be prepared to be hung up on. They're a main target of Nigerian scammers. If it happens, STOP trying to call them on an IP-Relay service and use State Relay. If that's not an option, go into the store. In all odds if they know there



I would like to add one thing....as a former relay opr one thing that totally pissed me off was people wanting to redail (for heaven's sake pls learn to spell R E D I A L) until person answered.  first of all, if you reach an answering machine and you instruct an operator to hangup and redial if ans mach responds, it totally screws with the answering machine.  If it were me you were calling and I had 3 dozen hang ups, I would be so p.o.'d at you I'd never talk to you!  Leave a friggin message.


If there is no answer after 10 rings, I can understand redialing a couple of times, just in case someone may be getting out of their car, not quite to the door, or in the shower, etc.  But redialing for 10 minutes or more is just ridiculous.


Either someone does NOT want to talk to you or they ARE NOT HOME....OK?  And no amount of redialing is going to get them on the phone.


Redialing once or twice is fine.  And understandable.  But for pete's sake people, give it a rest, dont mess with the answering machines and leave a message or CALL BACK LATER.


If a recording says a business is CLOSED FOR THE DAY CALL BACK THE NEXT BUSINESS DAY.....DO NOT instruct the opr to redial until someone answers.  There is no purpose to it.


Some operators don't care and don't mind redialing until forever.  I wasn't one of them.  You're wasting my time, your time and tying up the queue for someone else who needs to use the service.


We can't twitch our noses and get someone to answer the phone for you.    It works that way for hearing people, too.  Personally, I use the answering machine and leave a msg.  If I had to tell them something, I indicate that.  But I don't keep harassing them.


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(Date Posted:06/19/2007 7:10 AM)

Heretothanktheopr -- after reading smoothloperator's response, I would strongly suggest using Verizon IP relay if you choose to use an internet relay service. I think your call would be handled much better than it would be if you used Sprint IP. Like I mentioned before, state relay is completely different from IP relay. So if you happen to live in a state where Sprint has the contract it won't be the end of the world.

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(Date Posted:06/19/2007 7:08 PM)

I think deaf people need to realize the nature of the ringing phone. It's annoying. I know many deafies have the light systems for their phones, or put their cell phone on vibrate to know someone is calling. Ummm...hearing a ring is much much much more annoying and noticable than that. If someone is home, and their phone is ringing, they can most likely hear it, and if they're not answering, they don't want to talk to you.



Honestly, because relay operators are so limited in what they can tell you, they don't have the ability to necessarily inform you of the big *SIGH* we hear when someone picks up a phone you've been ringing for the past 20 minutes. Trust me, a lot of the time that person just DID NOT want to talk to you, but they finally got sick of hearing the rings!



When I was an op, I really TRIED to be understanding about deaf culture, and I know that socializing can be difficult without the ability to hear, especially when you don't have many other deaf people around. BUT PLEASE, if you harass your hearing friends, it will only make your situation worse! If you're not sure what's acceptable, ASK! If someone tells you that you're calling too much, STOP! I don't know how many calls I processed where a deafie was calling a friend or family member who was at their wit's end.



I mostly blame the hearing person in the relationships though. I always got very upset when they sounded annoyed and whispered to someone in the background about how they were so annoyed with the person calling. Yet, they wouldn't dare SAY that to the deaf person they were talking to. And heaven forbid I actually TYPE (sounds annoyed)! It was almost always followed by an explanation of how *I* the operator shouldn't have typed that. WHATEVER. The reason friends and family won't tell deafies they're annoyed is because they feel sorry for them. So think about that next time. Do you like it that your hearing friends and family treat you differently because you're deaf? Do you like that they talk about you and say how sorry they are that you're so pitiful and deaf?



Ok....there are some deaf people who wouldn't give a damn. Maybe a lot actually. But I hope SOME of them have some self-respect and pride.

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