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(Date Posted:06/14/2007 12:16 AM)

I don't know if this is particularly a deaf issue, but it is something that has always bothered me all the time I worked at relay......whether or not it was an answering machine reached or a busy signal or constant ringing, the one thing that irritated me more than anything else was the constant "redail til answer" or "redail til alive". Most operators didn't mind redialing, just as most don't mind being stuck on hold forever waiting for "live rep" but I'm trying to understand the logic (if any) behind the continuous redailing.If it were my answering machine and there were constant hang ups on it, I would be furious.Can anyone explain the reasoning? And is it only privvy to the deaf community? Does anyone realize that no matter how many times we redail we cannot magically produce someone to answer their phone?
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(Date Posted:06/14/2007 6:06 AM)

Not to mention if you're calling someone who doesn't want to answer your call or whatever, it's considered harassment.  And not everything requires talking directly to someone.

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(Date Posted:06/15/2007 12:14 AM)

I guess I could understand if it was an emergency and they REALLY needed to get in contact with the person they're calling.. I've seen that a few times.



When it REALLY gets on my nerves is when I get "redial till person picks"

and I assume "Well damn they must REALLY need to get in contact with this person!"

The person answers, and the conversation is like "hey man whats up im bored"

......*SCREAM*

-OR-

Person calling a business that is CLOSED and their answering machine/recording SAYS SO... IE:
recording) Thank you for calling Happy Pappy mens fitness center, we are now closed. We are open fro..
orig) REDAIL TIL PICKD
me).....*SIGH*



I do it, because I'm supposed to, but I REALLY REALLY wish I could politely inform the caller if a business they're trying to reach is closed, something along the lines of:

"(opr here i m sorry business/facility currently closed no live rep available another call qq) ga"



I think that would be both polite and considerate to the text orig and a load off our backs as oprs.

...but how well are our suggestions listened to by management?

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(Date Posted:06/15/2007 5:42 AM)

Towards the end of my stint at relay, I got a caller who pulled "redail til picked" when attempting to call a business that was closed. Since I was leaving anyway, I broke proceedure and politely informed them (opr here i m sorry the business u are trying to reach is closed another nbr to dial qq). Wanna know how that went down?



Orig: OPR I SAIIIIIIID REDIAL TIL PICKED

Me: Opr here this business is now closed there is no one to ans the line

Orig: REDAIL UNTIL PICKED OPR!

Me: *redial 3 more minutes*.....opr here u have reached an ans mach this business is closed pls call back during normal business hours or another nbr to dial qq

Orig: I SAIDDDDDD REDAIL TIL PICK NOWWWWWWW!



They either didn't care or understand. I think they may get offended because they know they should have read the recording you typed, but they didn't. So they get defensive and think they're being clever by making you redial. Little do they know you're just thinking about what an ignorant ass they're being.



I can't say it enough: If the operator types something, DAMNIT, READ IT!



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(Date Posted:06/15/2007 3:11 PM)

Leave, sounds like you got a real idiot there. I have to add that although I know it's concise, the instruction to try and reach a "live person" really sounds like a lousy joke. I mean would someone be asking you to call a dead person?



I probably use too many words on my calls because I prefer to make sense and am not all that excited about abbreviations, although conceding they are necessary, unless one wants to spend eternity on a call. When I think about it since I use a cross between mostly Pidgin sign you'd think it wouldn't matter. I do find when writing to a hearing person I have to kind of remind myself to use English or I fall into the "expediant writing" format (Pidgin). When making a call I go back and forth between English and Pidgin and I have to say I often confuse myself with the mixture. Heaven only know what the person on the other end thinks- and as for the opr. maybe they wonder what the heck is going on or more likely take it in stride.



Part of my calls are from a literate English speaker and part a shorthand writer- come to think about it it's kinda wacky to do that. I'm going to give it some thought. In the meanwhile since I know some telephone systems let you pass through the menus and CAs often know these I sometimes ask " u able pass menu to person.qq GA" if I think it may be possible. I ask once and a "no" (said in a variety of ways, depending on the CA )is "no" and that's that.



The more I read the posts from oprs. the more I wonder how confusing I am- or maybe I'm just confused period!
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(Date Posted:06/15/2007 6:43 PM)

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Leave, sounds like you got a real idiot there. I have to add that although I know it's concise, the instruction to try and reach a "live person" really sounds like a lousy joke. I mean would someone be asking you to call a dead person?I probably use too many words on my calls because I prefer to make sense and am not all that excited about abbreviations, although conceding they are necessary, unless one wants to spend eternity on a call. When I think about it since I use a cross between mostly Pidgin sign you'd think it wouldn't matter. I do find when writing to a hearing person I have to kind of remind myself to use English or I fall into the "expediant writing" format (Pidgin). When making a call I go back and forth between English and Pidgin and I have to say I often confuse myself with the mixture. Heaven only know what the person on the other end thinks- and as for the








i don't know about other centers/companies, but the one i work for is really cracking down on the "bypassing menu" stuff, among other things. NQA has become very gung ho about not "taking control" in any way whatsoever of the call, and to them this includes the menu bypassing we used to be allowed to do. basically if it isn't explicitly stated in the very first menu "do X to get a representative" we're not allowed to make guesses like pressing 0 or even just holding until the menu rolls to "you are being connected to a representative," or pressing the number for "other options" hoping one of those other options will be a representative. but since people used to do it all the time, whenever i say (sorry ur choice not available list choices qq) ga the orig often types back something like "u are bad opr other opr called this nbr for me and got me a rep." it's really frustrating. i feel bad for callers with ivrus, but there is nothing we can do without risking major trouble if we're getting monitored.
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(Date Posted:06/16/2007 2:32 AM)

Reply to : gask alice



What s/he said is right, we can't "take control" of the call.

I can't how many times someone has asked, even politely "can you get a rep?"

and since it does not list that option -on the FIRST tree- I have to tell them "no, list options?"

..even though I know, that if I wait past the first recording tree, maybe another, it will transfer me to a rep, I -still- can't do it because NQA says "it's taking control of the call" and would result in us getting in big trouble... even though the caller was LOOKING FOR A REP IN THE FIRST PLACE... it's so frustrating.



Here is some tips for getting a representative, feel free to spread this around to friends:



1) If you ask for a rep, say "get rep pls" or similar, and the operator says "choice not available" etc.. try saying "can you hold on the line to see if a rep is available after a short wait.." or something similar. Make it so that, if you really want to try for a rep, you can allow the operator some lee-way to find one. The only way we can "take control" so to speak of the call is if YOU let us.



2) If it is a VOICE activated IVRU, IE: T-Mobile, you can say "Representative" OR "Agent" and it'll more then likely transfer you to one. It may ask a question or two before hand, like "what would u like to speak to an agent about?" or etc... but most of the time it will transfer u to one.

NOTE: Only say "rep" or "agent" ...do not try to give your life story, the voice activated recording will not understand you and it will freak out.



3) If in the case that NO REP is available either by main menu, or by a wait or hold, pls don't get upset if we tell you so and ask you if you'de like to hear the main menu options.

Sometimes there are cases where if you press an option on the main menu the NEXT menu will give an option or a rep. Try it



4) SOMETIMES pressing 0 will work. Sometimes. Even if it isn't a listed option, you could TRY pressing 0 and see what happens. If you'd like even, tell the operator to press 0 several times and relay the recording from there. It could get you to a rep, it could not.. but sometimes it does work.



5) If in the case that you ask for a rep, and the option IS available on the main menu and we press it, and there is a second recording asking which department or type of rep you need... pls don't say "live rep" again because we will tell you "choice not available" because you HAVE to choose what KIND of rep or what DEPT you need!

Example:

after pressing the option for a live rep, recording goes-

for billing press 1 for sales press 2 for technical assistance press 3



Do NOT say "live rep" use your judgment on which department you need. If you need to pay or dispute a bill, choose billing. If you need to buy something, that would be sales. If you can't figure out why something isn't working, that would be technical assistance.



Keep in mind we're talking about FUNCTIONAL EQUIVALENCY. We as hearing people have to go through the same menu options to get where we'd like in the phone call. We have to make the same selections, hear the same recordings, and try to figure out how to get a live person if we need one. We don't have magical button pressers that get us a "LIVE REP NOOWWWWW".



Thank you, I think I've told my peace on the issue. Feel free to add as needed.



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(Date Posted:06/16/2007 7:22 PM)

And.... if you are choosing an option, please choose the correct option, if it is available. Please don't just pick whatever just because you think it will get you to a "live Rep" faster. It probably will get you to a "live Rep" faster, but they will more than likely have to transfer you to the correct department that you could have chosen, if you had been patient in the first place.


Thanks

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(Date Posted:06/17/2007 6:42 AM)

Functional equivilence is a myth.


 

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(Date Posted:06/17/2007 3:57 PM)

hmmm interesting posts. I do have a list from a couple of the online sources that suggest how to bypass the menu. I know some sources were posted on this site in the past.I can ask to have that number or letter or whatever entered.



I see the point that if a hearing caller uses the phone they would have to enter that "magic" number or whatever themselves, so deaf should too. I guess my line of reasoning was since relay takes so much longer to process, and menu selections pass by quickly, I try to get all my instructions out first to avoid having to redial a zillion times, but I'm not always familiar with a menu and it's options- or am surprised we got a menu at all. So I hope you see a way out for me (bypass), which isn't fair to you.



As far as making a selection that too is one of those things that are troublesome. Hearing people too have a problem, I know. It's especially annoying when you're not sure what fits, you get another menu telling you the person is not available (or a "no answer") and intead of repeating the menu options- they disconnect, and you have to start again. That's not only frustrating it's down right dumb, a deaf person doesn't expect that any more than a hearing person.



Sometimes it really isn't clear which option I want because the menu isn't all that clear- for example. I took my car in for a small repair. In doing the repair the dealer broke a small, non essential part, leaving a small hole on the lower panel of the dashboard. They had to order the part. After not hearing from them for several weeks I called. I had the menu options (among others) of the "parts department", "customer service", "service center",. Well all you game players the correct answer when I'm not familiar with the a particuliar menu only because sometimes one seems better than the others- and sometimes I make the wrong selection if I'm in a hurry- as above and have to start over. I have had situations in the past where I make a selection, it turns out to be wrong. The person who answered trys to tranfer me (sometimes unsuccessfully), We get disconnected. The opr. gives me the bad news then asks if I want to make another call and round and round we go. I guess it gives both the opr and myself something to do that day!



By the way I don't mean to say this doesn't happen to hearing, of course it does. The differance is that it takes a lot longer through relay, of course and you don't hear the profanity of the hearing person- and it isn't displaced onto you- not so good for you. Well, what I now won't do is ask for a "rep" , if it's not offered. I will try usint "0" or a cheat number which I will print out and keep by the phone. Thks. for notifying me of the change, it makes a lot of sense even though it will add another little layer to the call. Guess it isn't fair to ask the opr. to resolve a problem that a hearing person would have to do on their own. I expect there will be some profanity towards you until we get our deaf act together!





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(Date Posted:06/17/2007 4:03 PM)

By the way I see an error in my post. For some reason sections of my privious post didn't appear and the "edit" funtion no longer works on my screen (not can I use teh WYSIWYG editor, as in the past- don't know why). Anyway the "correct" answer to the "Which selection turned out to be correct was "customer service" huh?
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RE:redail til liv persn
(Date Posted:01/19/2008 6:24 AM)

Where I am working at when someone says "Live rep" i immediately start saying live operator, representative, or press 0..


Also yeah I hate that, Redail till someone answers, but we usualy do it ten times then we disconnect the call and ask them if they want to dial another number.



We have also come to a conclusion that some DU or HoH don't read the calls..


I told someone at work that there should be a guide & etiquete (sp?) or something..

I think alot of DU or HoH who are first time users just go at it. IP relay is basicly new business in the communications department for DU or HoH calls am I correct in that assumption?


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